2.6 oz.Fill: 12.6 oz. Temperature rating: 20FWeight: 1 lb. The Swallow is no exception. Zippers are one of the heaviest features on a sleeping bag, so its no surprise that this is a place we see a great deal of variation and innovation in the ultralight world. Feathered Friends and Western Mountaineering are both high-end sleeping bag manufacturers. It has passive collars that provide an extra cushion around the neck area to trap all the necessary heat to keep you warm. Temperature rating: 30FWeight: 1 lb. i am in no way trying to knock wm. The Feathered Friends is even a little less expensive than my Western Mountaineering bag. The down and feather industry is highly regulated. For example, the Feathered Friends Hummingbird UL 30 is warmer than most bags with a 30-degree EN/ISO Comfort designation (more on this below). But in an ultralight category, down is by far the superior insulator, beating out synthetic fill both in warmth-to-weight ratio and compressibility. If you camp under conditions where this can be removed or much reduced, then 900FP is no better than 800FP. On the other hand, with no hood and a cinchable footbox, it can be opened up like a quilt in warm weather (the Wide version is great for plus-sized backpackers or two sleepers). As others have stated, both are the excellent the best quality bags out there. Western Mountaineering brand has been in the sleeping bag industry for over 35 years. Why do people not seem to talk about FF in these forums? if you call ff they will to talk to you about anything they make or sell for as long as you want. Temperature rating: 39F ISO Comfort, 30F Lower LimitWeight: 1 lb. Temperature rating: 30F (also available in 0, 10, 20, and 40 models)Weight: 1 lb. is WM better? The Hyperion has 70 percent of its down strategically located on top of the bag and 30 percent on the undersideyou get your insulation where it matters most, along with added assurance that it will stay put. i'll give the first person who does a $1. A quilt removes the hood and back from a traditional mummy bag and pairs with a sleeping pad (attached via ties or straps) for insulation on all sides. It has to mean more fabric in the bag but not much. These gripes aside, youd be hard-pressed to find a lighter bag with such a well-rounded feature set, earning the Flylite a spot toward the top of our list. i've had both water-resistant and non-resistant bags from both FF and WM, and the downside to having a waterproof (or resistant) bag is that it doesn't breath as well, so moisture gets trapped from the inside out . Its mummy shape limits certain sleeping positions. Rear Closure If you havent yet heard of Feathered Friends, we recommend that you get acquainted. I have a WM Sequoia MF. This is a notable departure from ourtraditional sleeping bag round-up, where we have a solid mix of down and synthetic options. of 650-fill downWhat we like:Over $100 less than any other bag on this list.What we dont: Lower-quality down and heavy for the temperature rating. It provides choices for its users as it comes in either regular or long with various temperature adjustments for different preferences. If theres a clear sign that quilts are hitting the mainstream backpacking scene, the Magma Trail is exactly that. On these wider quilts, its common to see a closure along the backside, which means the quilt can secure closed, mimicking a sleeping bag. 3 oz.Fill:9 oz. It has a mummy shape with a 5 YKK two-way zipper with locking sliders. Click to reveal Feathered Friends Hummingbird UL 30 ($509) Temperature rating: 30F Weight: 1 lb. For 3-season use, the Hummingbird UL is our favorite ultralight sleeping bag on the market. Clean and dry are the two most important things to maintaining high FP down. Available in three sizes: Answering to the call of our customers, we proudly introduce the "Cloud 9" Comforter. Further, the Vesper is designed with an extra dose of loft along the perimeter of the backs opening, which does a nice job of sealing out drafts. I asked myself about having a bag made in a different fabric on three ocasions and on all three occasions i was told "yes we can do it but it will cost you like $500 extra" That kinda decided it for me in regard to just taking a production bag and not a custom one. If you want/need/prefer/like to have a right zip bag, Western Mountaineering is the only choice if buying "off the rack". Keeping the bag dry and clean means extra work while camping, too. This sleeping bag has been designed as a three-season bag. Feathered Friends is an excellent sleeping bag brand that has been around since 1972. It is available in 20 and 30 degrees options. The outer shell fabrics are made from Pertex Endurance UL with a Flite 15 denier ripstop nylon lining. Temperature rating:44F EN Comfort, 40F Lower LimitWeight: 12 oz.Fill: 6.3 oz. They had a "list" price for this in assorted fabrics. vs. 58/52 in.). The different stitching patterns on each individual sleeping bag and quilt may seem like theyre just for show, but this baffling actually is a critical design feature. It does however open the door for the thread to stress the needle holes when the bag is stretched. Feathered friends Ibis is more water resistant. We are only talking a small amount of total loft. It's important to keep in mind, however, that the NanoLites use is definitively limited to summer nights and lower elevations. If you go out in damp conditions all the time, you won't notice any difference. On the other hand, 1 pound 6 ounces is heavy for most quilt fans. Helium $448. For decades, questions have come up concerning the ethical nature of down products and their production process. You can email the site owner to let them know you were blocked. wm sells thru a deal network that has both a brick and mortar and internet presence. On the other hand, partial-length zippers or zipper-less designs mean your ventilation options are severely limited. Early inventors, including Leonardo da Vinci and Giovanni Alfonso Borelli, toyed with the concept of swimfins, taking their inspiration from ducks' feet. Outdoor gear companies have found new ways to shave weight off traditional mummy bags, in addition to developing minimalist backpacking quilts. Quilts also can offer a nice solution for those who feel constrained by a sleeping bag, but their narrow dimensions pose a whole different issueif you do want to batten down the hatches, there might not be enough fabric to wrap fully around your body. Colorado Springs, Colorado USA. You will be happy with either. Both duck and goose down are measured in terms of their fill power, which describes (in cubic inches) how much space is filled by one ounce of down. Many ultralight sleeping bags use a zipper to cinch all the way closed, while others, like the Feathered Friends Tanager,drop the zipper for a simple slip-on tube. Because they provide wraparound protection, sleeping bags generally are a bit heavier than quilts, but theyre also slightly warmer. Some companies here adhere to international testing standards (you'll see mention of EN or ISO ratings), while many of the smaller brands choose to provide their own temperature ratings. Its hood is 3D contoured, thus opening up wide during warm nights and clinches tight when the temperature is low. These distinctions might not seem like a lot, but for us, theyre the difference between a minimalist UL bag and a functional daily driver. If youre the type of person that loves tweaking your gear, continuous baffles could be a good fit. As of right now, I'm leaning towards the Versalite or Apache if I can manage the dimensions without feeling cramped. . The company stands out for making simple, good quality, and lightweight sleeping bags for its users. 3759 Limerick Rd, Clyde, OH 43410, USA. Fill: 15.5 oz. In the end, the Vireo is 3.1 ounces lighter than the Tanager but potentially almost as warmyou get insulation down to 25 degrees for the lower body and 45 degrees on top. Aside from the obvious benefit of being able to snuggle with your sweetie, these double designs have a few advantages over single quilts. However, while we love this culture and encourage you to support it, keep in mind that you can expect longer wait times between ordering and receiving your items. of 950-fill downWhat we like: Great warmth for the weight and roomy design. FF sells mostly from its factory and doesn't have sales very often. Another bonus is that the women's design Feathered Friends is roomier in the hips but narrower in the shoulders. It has a Mummy shape, and a #5YKK is two-way and separates locking sliders and zippers. Feathered Friends may, waiting for an answer via email, build a right zip bag at additional cost. The Marmot Phase 20 Sleeping Bag is EN tested 20F / -7C rated sleeping bag, so rest assured it will keep you warm. For one, they allow you to share body warmth, meaning you can often get away with a higher temperature rating. Here are the specs of this bag: The bag is made of Gore Windstopper fabric which makes the bag significantly warmer. of 850-fill downWhat we like: An ultralight sleeping bag with fully baffled construction.What we dont: Limited warmth and half-length zipper isnt great for dropping heat on warm nights. To put it in perspective, our top-ranked Hummingbird contains almost twice the amount of down as the Spark, which is a welcome addition on cold summer nights (40 degrees is the Sea to Summits Lower Limit). These products are made by the people, for the people. Western Mountaineering has also made some of the best ultralight sleeping bags on the market for years. Our premium articles include in depth journalism and insights from the Backpacking Light editorial team. It has a 3D dimensional full-down collar that wraps around your neck to trap your body heat and prevent you from getting cold. Feathered Friends is an excellent sleeping bag brand that has been around since 1972. Most noteworthy is its unique back closure: two thin, 2-millimeter cords secure the quilt to the sleeping pad, and a sliding toggle system locks it in place close to the body. The extremeLite shell fabric enhances insulation without adding unnecessary weight to the bag. Alpinlite $538. On cold nights, the Flicker encloses your body completely, la sleeping bag (a cinch tightens the footbox to minimize cold air spots), and on warm nights it opens all the way up into a blanket. FF even has a option to upgrade to 900 fill. The Western Mountaineering Ultralite came out as comfortable and suitable for lightweight gear. The Palisade 30 is sold out at the time of writing (an updated model is expected July 1), but its also worth looking at Katabatics Alsek (22F) and Sawatch (15F) quilts, as well as the blanket-style Flex (available in 15, 22, and 30F options).See the Katabatic Gear Palisade 30. It is quite affordable compared to others from this brand. History. Anyway the customer service is GREAT as i have also yapped their ear off for at least 30 minute 2-3 times now. Temperature rating: 36FWeight: 14.3 oz.Fill: 7.7 oz. 5.1 oz.Fill: 10 oz. See the Therm-a-Rest Hyperion 20. The lesson here is that a lower weight does not always mean a less insulated bagbut it does indicate that some sacrifices are being made. It also ranks as the best ultralight sleeping bag among its brand. And for cold sleepers or higher elevations, REI also offers the Magma 15, which clocks in at 1 pound 12.2 ounces and retails for $399. As a semi-custom shop FF is a little better at more non-standard bags special fabrics, extra long size, semi-rec or rectangular bags, etc. I think it is really apples to apples. On top of that, the Spark has a short, 1/3-length zipper, which gives you a lot less wiggle room and limits ventilation. Further, we recommend always stowing or packing your bag in a stuff sack or cloth bag for transport or storage. Available in both 20- and 32-degree options, the Vesper is stuffed with premium 900-fill hydrophobic down and comes in at an impressive 1 pound 3 ounces for the 20-degree version. Post climbing gear-related questions, offer advice. And although the company is relatively new to sleeping bags, were very impressed with what theyve come up with: a collection that comprises both down and synthetic options for everything from ultralight backpacking to winter camping. For example, the Enlightened Equipment Enigma above may offer a superior warmth-to-weight ratio, but thats if you get it just rightany movement in the night can expose your body to cold drafts. So, like others have stated get whichever you can get your hands on. This is a 20 bag in the same weight range (mine weighs 28.5 oz) as the two you listed . And if you want a bit more room, check out Western Mountaineerings Alpinlite, which adds 5 inches at the shoulders and 4 at the hips. vs. quilts. It has a 3D contoured hood that opens wide during warm nights and clinches during cold nights to ensure you are warm. And my soon to be next bag will be a FF. But, a large degree of the lofting is suported by the internal electrostatic repulsion between the barbules, too. You must be logged in to reply to this topic. For example, the 20-degree Therm-a-Rest Hyperion sleeping bag has 13 ounces of 900-fill down, while the 20-degree Zpacks Solo quilt has 13.7 ounces of higher-quality 950-fill down. First, the YKK #3 zipper is noticeably thin and will be much more prone to failure than the more standard #5 zippers found on most ultralight sleeping bags. The biggest point of differentiation between the Flicker UL and other quilts on this list is the full-length zipper. 5.3 oz. Baffles essentially are tubes of fabric that help down insulation stay evenly distributed throughout a bag or quilt. #152365 - 07/06/11 06:11 PM Re: Feathered Friends vs Western Mountaineering [Re: skcreidc] Pika member Registered: 12/08/05 Posts: 1814 Loc: Rural Southeast Arizona Just to further complicate the issue, I would recommend that you consider the Marmot Helium. For example, the elastic back of the NanoLite is super lightweight and comfortable under the body, but with no quick release, the quilt cannot be used like a blanket. Mountain Hardwear is yet another brand with a great selection of thoughtfully designed sleeping bags, and the Phantom 30F is their ultralight offering. What we dont: 5 ounces heavier than the 20-degree Feathered Friends Hummingbird. measures in at 58 inches around the shoulders, 52 at the hips, and 38 in the footbox, while the Swallow (1 lb. These products often have a number things in common. of 950-fill downWhat we like: Unique insulation patterning eliminates a ton of weight.What we dont: The warmer Tanager weighs only 3 ounces more. It comes with two options: the 20 Degree, which has a regular(533g) and long(928g), and the 30 Degree, which has a regular(789g) and long(835g). 10.4 oz., compared to the Accomplices 2-lb. And at $329, the Magma Trail is a great value. You wont find a lighter fully featured bag within Feathered Friends lineup (the Tanager forgoes a zipper and hood), but Western Mountaineering has a number of options to choose from. 4.8 oz.Fill: 1 lb. Lake Mead vs Lake Powell A Side-by-Side Comparison. We use affiliate links andmay receive a small commission on purchases. Theres no denying that the Hummingbird UL above is a great ultralight pick, but at well over a pound, its just too heavy for some. But as with most things, there are some compromises in opting for a double sleeping quilt. That said, not all down insulation is created equal. It features an Insulated Draft Tube that prevents cold air from entering the zipper. Textile exchange works with manufacturers in the textile industry to reduce and reverse the negative and social impacts created by this industry. Its temperature rating is 45 degrees Fahrenheit. Western Mountaineering built the . Or he might have and he might be right.). This website is using a security service to protect itself from online attacks. Having tested sleeping bags from other brands like Marmot, I have realized that Western Mountaineering bags and Feathered Friends make the best sleeping bags in the world. As we mentioned above, manufacturers shave weight from sleeping bags and quilts in a number of ways, including the use of ultra-thin shell fabrics (measured in denier), high-fill-power down (which offers impressive warmth for the weight), thin or shortened zippers (or none at all), and narrow profiles. They are also not the lightest option, weighing 24 ounces (again, for the . The action you just performed triggered the security solution. Draft Collar But for a long-lasting pick (the Magmas 15D shell fabric is one of the most durable here) thats ready when you want it, this quilt is worth a look.See the REI Co-op Magma Trail Quilt. (All prices CAD after taxes) Versalite $510. The bag compresses when packed and remains lightweight without damaging the heat factor. Western Commercial Guides. Feathered Friends Snowy Owl EX 60 sleeping bag is a significantly toasty bag in this brand and in the world since its creation. But honestly, they are both the best in the business. With the added weight of a full-length zipper, the Ohm certainly isnt the lightest option in its class. Fill: 14 oz. The Flicker UL Quilt Sleeping Bag from Feathered Friends offers the perfect combination of comfort and practicality . If you plan to travel in humid or wet climates, we recommend looking for down insulation that has been treated to withstand light moisture. In the case of quilts, some also leave off attachments or cinches (these are often known as top quilts). For example, the men's REI Co-op Magma 30 has a Lower Limit of 30 degrees and a Comfort rating of 39 degrees, while the womens Magma 30 has ratings of 18 and 29 degrees, respectively. There are so many considerations to keep in mind: down or synthetic? They are both known for producing quality bags to help individuals sleep comfortably.When selecting between the two brands, there are specific factors to consider like price point, weight savings, comfortability, e.t.c. Temperature rating: 30FWeight: 1 lb. Western Mountaineering and Feathered Friends are the upper end. This bag missed out because we ultimately concluded that a 30F bag is better for most 3-season temperatures. In the ultralight realm, the Down Hugger lineup from Montbell is a great choice, featuring spiral baffles that allow for stretch in the fabric. For those who want to cut even more weight, Feathered Friends also makes the Hummingbird UL (1 lb. Interestingly, the UltraLite has a higher fill weight (16 oz. There is a lot to consider when choosing either of the two, like affordability, weight, and comfortability, among other things. It will also be lighter overall than a men's bag. Available in cranberry or black, the Western Mountaineering Flash booties are made with a 1/4'' foam insole for added comfort, support, and durability. Further, some companies have developed their own standards, such as Patagonias Traceable Down Standard. StoneGlacier vs . The warmth of all three . Again call and ask yourself though, they are more than willing to chat and offer their two cents. Owning bags from both, I think I can safely recommend buying based on design, sizing and features because the quality is equivalent. The Feathered Friends Hummingbird UL 30 is not only ranked as the best Ultralight among its brand, but also it takes the crown for the best overall. Try this with a "lost" down plume(assuming it is clean.) REI Co-op did a very impressive job with their first quilt, which is a spinoff of their popular sleeping bag line. The Comfort rating denotes at what temperature the bag will keep you comfortable, and this is the number often specified for womens bags. Pick a dry tent, or tarp, with a LOT of vents. Drape it across your body on warm nights, or cinch the back all the way up when the mercury drops. The result is well-thought-out products that nail the details and often allow the buyer to customize sizes, down fill, materials, and features. Due to the technology used to make this bag, its insulation can shift to body temperature. when shopping for my next bag i would consider both ff and wm equally. I would agree that you'll be 100% happy . of 950-fill downWhat we like: Versatility of a quilt with the wraparound security of a sleeping bag.What we dont: Heavy compared to other quilts. It is very durable since it is made with an Extreme Lite shell with a high thread count that boosts durability. 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